In this webinar for the Minnesota Soil Health Coalition, John Kempf discusses a paradigm shift in nitrogen management .

  • Foliar urea can be four to seven times more efficient than soil-applied nitrogen

  • Managing nitrogen with carbon and molybdenum reduces leaching and supports biological fixation

  • Podcast Transcript

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    I was asked to speak about
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    nitrogen management in
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    particular,
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    and perhaps touch on phosphorus
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    management as well,
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    and how
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    we can think
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    differently about managing
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    nitrogen from a plant health
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    perspective and from a soil
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    biology perspective.
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    And particularly when we look at
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    the macroeconomic conditions of
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    what's happening and what's
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    going on in the world.
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    You know, many years ago on the
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    podcast,
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    I was having a conversation with
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    Gary Zimmer and I asked Gary the
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    question,
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    If you could wave a magic wand
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    and change one thing,
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    and you're with the goal and the
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    objectives of accelerating the
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    adoption of a different form of
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    agriculture.
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    But at that point in time,
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    Gary was referring to as a
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    biological agriculture.
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    If you could wave a magic wand
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    and change one thing, what would
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    it be?
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    And Gary's answer to that
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    question was, I would make
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    nitrogen really expensive.
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    And what
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    he intended by that, what he
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    meant by that is
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    that
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    What he had discovered in 30
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    some years of what he called
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    biological farming is
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    that you can grow your own
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    nitrogen. And he wasn't even
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    talking about cover crops.
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    Cover crops were a part of it,
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    but he was speaking more about
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    the soil biology and the
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    discovery and the realization
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    that
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    soil health and
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    the ability to fix and sequester
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    nitrogen and supply nitrogen to
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    a crop
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    is closely connected to each
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    other. And if you wanted to
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    incentivize the adoption of soil
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    health
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    in a significant way at a large
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    scale,
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    One easy pathway to do that
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    would be to make it cheaper to
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    grow your own nitrogen than to
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    buy it.
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    And
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    since he made that comment,
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    it's now, I don't know, at least
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    six or seven years ago, probably
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    longer,
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    we've learned a lot more about
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    nitrogen
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    the impact that it has,
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    and the way that it changes
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    plant physiology, and the way
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    that it changes soil
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    microbiology.
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    So for the discussion today, I'm
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    going to provide a quick
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    overview of some of the ways
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    that we think differently about
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    nitrogen today than we did 10
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    years ago,
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    and
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    how we manage it differently.
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    I want to just dive right
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    straight into the practicalities
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    of it, because obviously spring
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    is here, planting season is upon
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    us.
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    And what can we do differently
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    this season that can have a very
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    significant impact?
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    So
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    there's
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    many starting points in this
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    conversation, but one of the
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    things that I want to put out
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    there for us to think about is I
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    think it would be wise for us
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    to,
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    it would be helpful for us if we
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    stopped having a conversation
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    about nitrogen.
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    Because from
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    a biological system perspective,
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    from a soil biology and a plant
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    perspective,
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    nitrogen doesn't exist.
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    Plants and biology do not
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    interact with N.
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    They don't even really interact,
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    well, biology does, but plants
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    don't even really interact with
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    N2, the nitrogen gas that's in
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    the atmosphere.
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    We would be much better served
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    if we started having a
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    conversation about nitrate
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    and ammonium and urea
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    and amino acids,
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    amino sugars,
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    protein forms of nitrogen,
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    because the plants and the soil
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    biology interact with each of
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    those differently, and in some
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    cases,
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    in extremely different ways.
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    It weakens our understanding of
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    agronomy and it weakens our
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    understanding of plant nutrition
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    and nutrition management.
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    To talk about nitrogen
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    generically,
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    when we really should be talking
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    about nitrate versus urea
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    because those two have
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    fundamentally different
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    impacts on plant physiology and
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    on the on the way that plants
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    express themselves.
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    So I'm
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    going to just
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    jump right in and the the core
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    objective here what I want to
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    speak about is I
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    want to speak about just
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    There's so many,
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    I could literally talk about
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    these various forms of nitrogen
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    and how they interact in
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    biological systems for four
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    hours, but that would,
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    I don't think that would be a
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    boring conversation, but I want
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    to make it really practical and
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    focus on what we are doing, how
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    we are managing nitrogen today
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    with the
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    growers that we do consulting
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    work for, what we've learned
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    over the last half a dozen or
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    more years and how we're
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    constantly evolving.
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    So I
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    want to focus on the practical
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    aspects, but also describe how
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    we got there.
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    So we know that one of the
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    challenges with nitrogen,
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    particularly in the nitrate
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    form, is that it's water
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    -soluble.
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    And that's problematic both when
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    we have too much water and when
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    we don't have enough.
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    And this was one of the pieces
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    that I found quite intriguing
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    when we started working with
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    biological nitrogen.
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    The discovery and the
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    realization that
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    nitrogen and other nutrients
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    that are coming from soil
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    biology, from biological cells,
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    bacterial cells in particular,
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    are still available to the plant
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    in the absence of free soil
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    water.
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    You've probably heard stories of
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    farms that had improved soil
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    health, they started making
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    changes,
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    and
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    in dry conditions, drought
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    stress conditions, they still
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    went on to produce a high
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    -yielding crop
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    that was not only a high
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    -yielding crop but also had high
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    test weight.
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    And this has been something
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    we've
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    observed now a number of times
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    where you have these
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    exceptionally high yielding
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    crops with high test weights
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    that are
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    completely out of proportion to
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    what you would expect
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    when you have given that you
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    might have very dry conditions
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    in August and September.
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    And in every instance when that
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    occurs, when we measure what's
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    happening and what's going on
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    with soil biology,
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    we have this biological nutrient
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    delivery that can continue to
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    deliver
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    the nitrogen and other nutrients
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    in the absence of free soil
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    water.
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    And that is
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    such a powerful,
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    it builds so much resilience for
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    us from a soil health and plant
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    health and yield perspective.
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    So one of the things,
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    one of the most popular webinars
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    that I ever
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    did was,
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    I forget it was something,
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    the title was something to the
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    effect of how nitrogen creates
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    yield drag.
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    On the surface,
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    I mean, people's kind of first
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    reaction to that is,
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    wait,
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    nitrogen can create a yield
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    drag? Like everything we've been
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    indoctrinated with and
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    everything we've been told for
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    the last 40 years is the
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    opposite of that.
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    We're constantly putting on more
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    nitrogen and
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    we
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    want to drive more vegetative
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    growth.
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    And it was intriguing to me to
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    observe that over the years
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    there's
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    slight variation, of course,
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    dependent on genetics and region
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    and so forth. But
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    As a general rule,
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    the highest yielding crops are
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    not,
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    they're
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    practically never
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    crops that, I actually shouldn't
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    say practically never, I cannot
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    recall of a single instance
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    where
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    we've been consulting with a
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    grower and the highest yielding
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    crop was the crop that had the
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    highest yield. levels of
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    nitrogen.
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    I've never seen it, not once.
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    When all of the other nutrients
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    are balanced and are being
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    managed well,
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    and nitrogen is applied in
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    excessive rates or at higher
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    levels than it should be in a
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    certain field,
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    we always see a yield drag
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    effect.
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    It has a negative effect on
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    yield. Past a certain threshold,
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    nitrogen has a negative effect
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    on yield rather than a positive
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    effect.
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    There's a number of reasons for
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    why this is the case.
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    I'll
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    give you a non -corn example as
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    a starting point in the
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    conversation.
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    If we look at watermelons as an
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    example,
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    the highest yielding watermelon
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    crops
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    often do not have enough
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    vegetation to cover the
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    watermelons.
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    The watermelons stand out in the
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    field very clearly.
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    You'll have another field right
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    beside it
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    where there is such lush and
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    abundant foliage and vegetation
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    that it completely covers the
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    watermelons and it'll yield 20
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    to 30 % less.
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    And that is a signal of
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    a plant that had high levels of
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    nitrate.
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    And we
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    could have a long conversation
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    about the effect that nitrate
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    has on plants, but I'll
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    start with,
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    this
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    was not Don Huber's PhD
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    research,
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    it was one of his colleagues,
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    it wasn't Bob Kramer.
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    I'm forgetting the name of the
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    individual right now.
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    I've heard this story secondhand
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    and I'm in the process of
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    tracking down the original PhD
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    paper right now.
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    But the story that was related
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    to me, this was research that
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    was done at Purdue back in the
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    late 70s, I want to say 76 -77
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    timeframe.
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    And at that point they
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    determined that the highest
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    yielding crops,
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    this was on corn specifically,
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    the highest yielding corn crops
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    were
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    crops that were getting,
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    of their total nitrogen supply,
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    they were getting 80 % as
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    ammonium and 20 % as nitrate.
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    We've known this since the 70s.
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    And this was, of course, before
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    we
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    fully appreciated and were fully
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    aware of the impact of soil
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    biology. So they were not yet
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    measuring amino sugars and amino
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    acids in various organic forms
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    of nitrogen. They were just
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    looking at the ammonium to
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    nitrate component
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    And they were saying the highest
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    yielding crops are crops that
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    are 80 % ammonium and 20 %
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    nitrate.
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    And that was consistent across a
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    wide
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    variety of different soil types
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    and different growing contexts.
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    And the
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    reason for that, we've also
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    found that nitrate in particular
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    can have a yield drag effect for
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    two reasons, as we understand it
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    right now.
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    There's a few other,
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    I'll expand it to three reasons.
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    There's a few other secondary
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    reasons, but the three big ones
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    are one,
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    A plant that has high levels of
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    nitrate requires higher levels
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    of water.
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    You make a plant thirsty for
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    additional water requirements
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    when you provide it with lots of
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    nitrate.
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    And this is not rocket science,
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    it's not anything that's that
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    complicated to figure out.
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    If you go into any plant
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    nutrition handbook or textbook,
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    or you can readily look this up
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    online,
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    and you look at the nitrate
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    conversion pathway that is
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    required to convert nitrate to
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    glutamine.
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    in the protein synthesis
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    process.
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    That conversion process requires
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    three molecules of water.
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    So for every molecule of nitrate
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    the plant absorbs,
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    it requires three molecules of
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    water
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    additional,
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    an extra,
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    that it would not require if it
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    absorbed that nitrogen in the
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    form of ammonium
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    or in the form of urea.
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    So simply by giving the plant
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    nitrate,
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    you make the plant thirstier,
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    you increase its water
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    requirement.
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    That's part one.
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    Part two,
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    to convert nitrate through this
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    nitrate conversion process and
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    eventually into glutamine and
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    into peptides and proteins
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    requires much higher levels of
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    energy, much higher levels of
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    sugar.
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    there's much greater sugar
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    requirement and energy
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    requirement to convert nitrate
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    than it is to convert ammonium
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    or urea or
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    amino acids and amino sugars.
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    So the nitrate
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    conversion is both,
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    creates both additional thirst
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    and it creates an additional
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    energy drain,
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    which is two of the significant
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    contributing factors why they
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    originally identified that the
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    highest yielding crops were
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    crops that were getting most of
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    their nitrogen in the form of
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    ammonium.
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    But then the third reason
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    is
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    that you
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    could arguably,
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    when we look at
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    plant phytohormones and
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    phytohormone interactions and
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    the impact that they have, we
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    can have these conversations
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    about various forms of
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    gibberellins and cytokinins and
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    abscisic acid and on and on the
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    list goes,
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    but you could arguably look at
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    nitrate as a hormone.
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    Nitrate has a hormonal effect
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    and it drives very rapid
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    vegetative growth
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    and very rapid
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    root expansion,
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    leaf expansion, leaf surface
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    area, and so forth.
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    What is interesting,
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    you know, years ago there was
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    this concept that I introduced
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    many
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    years ago that we used to call
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    critical points of influence.
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    And we don't talk about critical
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    points of influence quite as
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    much because it was not
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    necessarily complicated to
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    understand. but it
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    was not intuitive for a lot of
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    people.
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    But we learned that,
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    and I think we all know,
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    that plants all have these
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    critical points, these critical
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    leverage windows, where any type
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    of stress or
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    any type of beneficial impact in
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    this very narrow window can have
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    a disproportionately positive
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    effect.
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    So this goes back all the way to
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    Charles Tsai's research at Iowa
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    State University back in the, I
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    want to say this was the early
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    70s, like 72, 73, somewhere in
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    there.
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    He identified,
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    and now this has been updated,
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    there's updated research on
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    this, but his original research
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    said that the number of
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    potential ears that a corn plant
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    will have on a flex ear hybrid
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    is,
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    excuse me,
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    that the embryos for those
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    potential ears are
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    determined
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    nine to 11 days after emergence.
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    and that the
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    number of rows are determined 14
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    to 21 days after emergence,
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    and the number of kernels per
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    row is determined 42 to 49 days
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    after emergence.
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    And so
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    there's a few things that
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    are interesting about this
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    scenario.
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    First,
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    if you consider if you have a
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    flex ear hybrid,
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    the greatest impact on yield
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    happens earliest in the plant's
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    life.
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    So if you increase the number of
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    ears per plant,
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    or if you increase the number of
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    rows per year,
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    you will have a much greater
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    impact on yield potential than
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    if you simply increase the
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    number of kernels per row.
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    So that's
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    one interesting aspect.
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    The other interesting aspect is
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    how early in the plant's life
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    this happens and also how narrow
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    the window is.
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    Like number of ear embryos and
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    ear embryo initiation is
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    determined nine to eleven days
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    after germination.
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    That's pretty early.
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    That's two weeks.
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    And it's also it's a three day
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    long window.
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    So that's the concept of these
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    critical points of influence.
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    You have a three day window.
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    And if you have severe weather
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    stress
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    or nutritional stress in that
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    window, then that's going to
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    have an impact
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    that lasts for the rest of that
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    plant's life.
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    So
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    what I'm coming to realize is
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    that I'll just cut straight to
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    the bottom line.
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    There's a lot of additional
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    dots that I could connect in the
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    chain here, but
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    the bottom line is that nitrate
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    behaves as a phytohormone and it
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    drives vegetative growth.
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    And it
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    is beneficial to
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    have
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    generous levels of nitrate
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    earlier on in the plant's life.
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    So in a corn plant, particularly
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    when you have, when you're at
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    the seedling stage,
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    all
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    the way starting from
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    germination,
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    up until about V5 to V6,
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    you have positive yield
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    influences from having higher
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    levels of nitrate.
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    And from that point forward, for
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    the rest of the season,
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    you actually get greater
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    benefits, greater yield
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    responses from having less
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    nitrate,
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    20 % or less of the plant's
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    total nitrogen supply,
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    and more ammonium or urea or
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    other forms of nitrogen.
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    You want to minimize nitrate
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    after V5, V6, and you want to
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    get the majority of nitrogen in
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    other forms.
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    So I think I'm spending too much
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    time here.
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    Yeah, I see him.
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    I got ahead of the slides here a
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    little bit, but
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    we see here,
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    takes
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    three times more
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    energy,
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    takes 15 moles of ATP versus
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    five for nitrate with versus
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    five moles. of ATP for ammonium.
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    Three molecules of water for
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    each molecule of nitrate.
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    And
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    the bottom line,
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    what we've come to realize,
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    and this has been difficult to
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    quantify exactly, this is just
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    based on lots of experience and
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    observation,
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    but I
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    would suggest that plants that
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    are getting lots of nitrogen in
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    the form of nitrate
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    can require 20 -30 % more water
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    to produce the same bushels
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    as those that are using
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    biological nitrogen or getting
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    nitrogen from ammonium and urea.
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    That's a pretty big difference.
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    You want to talk about drought
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    resilience?
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    30 % less water is kind of a big
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    deal.
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    So,
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    I would suspect many of you are
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    familiar with the Rhizophagy
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    cycle at this point.
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    If you're not, I don't have the
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    time here to really do it
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    justice.
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    There's lots of information
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    available about this cycle
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    online, but the short version of
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    what we are learning is that
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    plants have the ability to
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    absorb the great majority of
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    their nutrition, including
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    nitrogen,
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    in the form of living bacterial
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    cells and living fungal cells
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    and microalgae and so forth.
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    But that they, let me move this
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    zoom slide around here a little
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    bit. So
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    this research is credited to Dr.
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    James White from Rutgers
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    University.
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    He's popularized it and
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    published it with a group of
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    colleagues over the last decade
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    plus.
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    And he's describing that plants
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    are absorbing living
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    microbes,
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    and these microbes are
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    colonizing the entire plant and
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    providing it with nutrition.
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    And what we're discovering, this
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    is how undomesticated ecosystems
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    work. So if you have wild plants
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    that are out in the forest or
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    out in the meadows and the
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    prairies,
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    in
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    these wild ecosystems that are
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    not being fertilized,
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    the great majority, upwards of
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    90 % of all of their nutrition
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    requirements are being provided
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    by this
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    mechanism. I'm hesitant to call
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    it a mechanism, but this
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    pathway, if you will,
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    of plants absorbing entire
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    microbes.
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    And what
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    we're now coming to realize is
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    that this same pathway can
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    also deliver upwards of 90 % of
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    a plant's nutritional
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    requirements
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    in an agriculture environment if
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    we stop preventing it from being
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    effective.
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    And there
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    are many things that we do to
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    prevent it from being effective.
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    The short version,
    19:56 – 19:58
    let me see if I have it here on
    19:58 – 19:58
    the slides.
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    But in short,
    20:03 – 20:04
    we have
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    one of the best ways,
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    the way that I've started
    20:09 – 20:10
    describing this
    20:10 – 20:12
    to produce the greatest
    20:12 – 20:13
    accuracy, I'm using some
    20:13 – 20:15
    language that isn't commonly
    20:15 – 20:16
    used in
    20:16 – 20:17
    agronomy but is still very
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    appropriate, and I'm talking
    20:18 – 20:19
    about
    20:21 – 20:23
    Biological nutrition versus
    20:23 – 20:24
    electrolyte nutrition.
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    A lot of the fertilizers that we
    20:28 – 20:30
    use are inherently electrolytes.
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    Anytime you have soluble
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    potassium or soluble chloride or
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    soluble nitrogen in
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    the form of nitrates or
    20:36 – 20:37
    ammonium,
    20:37 – 20:38
    particularly nitrates,
    20:39 – 20:40
    and even urea,
    20:40 – 20:42
    you have a material that has a
    20:42 – 20:44
    relatively high salt index.
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    It has a high electrical
    20:46 – 20:46
    conductivity.
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    And what happens when you have
    20:49 – 20:50
    materials that have a high
    20:50 – 20:51
    electrical conductivity,
    20:52 – 20:54
    You know, there's
    20:54 – 20:57
    some debate around the truth of
    20:57 – 20:59
    this story or this myth, I
    20:59 – 21:00
    suppose you could call it.
    21:01 – 21:02
    But there's some discussion
    21:02 – 21:04
    around how the Romans salted the
    21:04 – 21:07
    land of the Greeks when they did
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    not want those states to
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    reemerge and to be conquered.
    21:10 – 21:11
    again.
    21:12 – 21:13
    And when you add salt to land,
    21:13 – 21:14
    essentially what you're doing is
    21:14 – 21:16
    you're adding a very high dose
    21:16 – 21:17
    of an electrolyte
    21:17 – 21:19
    that will shut down
    21:19 – 21:20
    biological activity.
    21:21 – 21:23
    And this used to be a standard
    21:23 – 21:25
    practice years ago in asparagus
    21:25 – 21:26
    production as well that would
    21:26 – 21:27
    actually add
    21:27 – 21:29
    sodium chloride, salt, to the
    21:29 – 21:31
    land in high concentrations as a
    21:31 – 21:32
    weed control because the
    21:32 – 21:34
    asparagus could tolerate that
    21:34 – 21:35
    where other plants could not.
    21:36 – 21:37
    I've gotten to see some of those
    21:37 – 21:39
    soils and see the loss of
    21:39 – 21:41
    structure and the destruction
    21:41 – 21:42
    that has occurred from that
    21:42 – 21:42
    practice.
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    But the reality is
    21:46 – 21:47
    we are doing it, we're doing
    21:47 – 21:49
    exactly the same thing with our
    21:49 – 21:50
    fertilizer applications, but
    21:50 – 21:51
    just in smaller doses and
    21:51 – 21:52
    perhaps more spread out over
    21:52 – 21:53
    time,
    21:53 – 21:55
    where the fertilizers that we're
    21:55 – 21:57
    adding generally have a high
    21:57 – 21:58
    electrical conductivity.
    21:58 – 21:59
    They have a high AC.
    22:00 – 22:00
    And so when
    22:01 – 22:02
    you, let's say you have a wound,
    22:03 – 22:04
    a cut or finger,
    22:06 – 22:07
    you get fertilizer into that,
    22:07 – 22:08
    you know what that's going to
    22:08 – 22:09
    feel like. It's going to burn.
    22:09 – 22:11
    And that burning is cellular
    22:11 – 22:12
    oxidation.
    22:13 – 22:14
    It is that electrolyte
    22:15 – 22:18
    damaging and degrading cell
    22:18 – 22:18
    membranes.
    22:20 – 22:21
    The same thing happens to
    22:21 – 22:23
    microbial cells in the soil when
    22:24 – 22:26
    we add fertilizers to the soil.
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    Whenever we add a high
    22:28 – 22:29
    electrolyte content
    22:30 – 22:31
    nutrient
    22:32 – 22:34
    or fertilizer to the soil,
    22:34 – 22:36
    that has a detrimental effect on
    22:36 – 22:38
    soil biology. So the pathway
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    forward,
    22:39 – 22:40
    if we want to
    22:41 – 22:43
    to enhance this, if we want to
    22:43 – 22:44
    enhance the ability to grow our
    22:44 – 22:45
    own nitrogen,
    22:45 – 22:46
    fix our own nitrogen from
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    biology and feed it to provide
    22:49 – 22:50
    that to plants.
    22:51 – 22:53
    The kind of the science of
    22:53 – 22:56
    navigating this transition
    22:56 – 22:59
    is providing an on -ramp for
    22:59 – 23:01
    biology and biological nutrition
    23:01 – 23:03
    while we create an off -ramp
    23:04 – 23:06
    from electrolyte nutrition.
    23:07 – 23:08
    So
    23:08 – 23:10
    if you
    23:11 – 23:12
    can just imagine that
    23:12 – 23:16
    you have an on -ramp on an XY
    23:16 – 23:17
    axis,
    23:17 – 23:19
    you have up to the upper right
    23:19 – 23:20
    of the corner, you have an on
    23:20 – 23:21
    -ramp for
    23:21 – 23:23
    biological nutrition, and then
    23:23 – 23:24
    you have an off -ramp for
    23:24 – 23:25
    chemistry nutrition or for
    23:25 – 23:26
    electrolyte nutrition.
    23:26 – 23:27
    The question is,
    23:27 – 23:29
    how do you navigate those and
    23:29 – 23:31
    how do you balance those without
    23:31 – 23:32
    compromising on yield?
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    Because I'm of the persuasion
    23:34 – 23:35
    that
    23:35 – 23:38
    there should not be a
    23:38 – 23:40
    need for a yield loss.
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    If you have a yield loss during
    23:41 – 23:42
    a transition, that's a
    23:42 – 23:44
    reflection of bad agronomy, not
    23:44 – 23:46
    a reflection of the challenges
    23:46 – 23:47
    with the
    23:49 – 23:50
    challenges with rebuilding soil
    23:50 – 23:51
    biology.
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    So I'm
    23:54 – 23:56
    going to I'm
    23:56 – 23:58
    just going to dive right into
    23:58 – 24:01
    the way that we manage the
    24:01 – 24:03
    transition on farms that we work
    24:03 – 24:04
    with is we
    24:04 – 24:07
    try to reduce the
    24:08 – 24:09
    concentration and the quantity
    24:09 – 24:11
    of electrolytes that we are
    24:11 – 24:13
    applying at any one point in
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    time.
    24:14 – 24:15
    So we
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    do multiple applications.
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    We split applications out over
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    the course of the season and
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    we try to
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    apply as much to the plant as
    24:24 – 24:26
    possible and as little to the
    24:26 – 24:28
    soil as possible while still
    24:28 – 24:29
    getting good
    24:29 – 24:32
    performance and good yield
    24:32 – 24:33
    results.
    24:33 – 24:34
    So I'm
    24:34 – 24:35
    going to...
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    What
    24:38 – 24:39
    are we doing on time here?
    24:41 – 24:42
    I'm going to
    24:42 – 24:45
    just provide a very rapid,
    24:45 – 24:47
    high -level overview of our
    24:47 – 24:50
    thinking and our approach to
    24:50 – 24:51
    nitrogen management.
    24:52 – 24:53
    And we'll
    24:54 – 24:55
    go through some specific
    24:55 – 24:57
    applications and the thought
    24:57 – 24:58
    process behind them, and then
    24:58 – 24:59
    I'm just going to open it up for
    24:59 – 25:02
    Q &A. and we can chat about any
    25:02 – 25:03
    questions that you might have.
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    There's a few pieces of
    25:08 – 25:09
    information that are important
    25:09 – 25:11
    for all of this to make sense.
    25:12 – 25:14
    The first is something that I
    25:14 – 25:15
    learned,
    25:15 – 25:17
    an old rule of thumb that was
    25:17 – 25:18
    developed by a team of Brookside
    25:18 – 25:21
    agronomists 50 -some years ago.
    25:22 – 25:23
    When they were looking at corn
    25:23 – 25:24
    nutrition,
    25:24 – 25:25
    they identified that
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    Sulfur,
    25:29 – 25:30
    at that point,
    25:31 – 25:32
    sulfur was much more common in
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    the atmosphere than it is today.
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    And they identified that sulfur,
    25:36 – 25:38
    the first 25 pounds of sulfur
    25:38 – 25:39
    can
    25:39 – 25:41
    deliver the same yield response
    25:41 – 25:43
    as a pound of nitrogen.
    25:43 – 25:44
    There was this threshold effect
    25:44 – 25:45
    that
    25:45 – 25:47
    the first 25 pounds of sulfur
    25:47 – 25:47
    had
    25:48 – 25:50
    the same crop yield effect as 25
    25:50 – 25:51
    pounds of nitrogen.
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    And after that 25 pound
    25:53 – 25:54
    threshold,
    25:54 – 25:56
    that effect would diminish and
    25:56 – 25:57
    taper off. It would no longer
    25:57 – 25:58
    held true at a one -to -one
    25:58 – 25:59
    ratio.
    26:00 – 26:02
    So they described that in any
    26:02 – 26:04
    nitrogen program or nitrogen
    26:04 – 26:05
    recommendation, they would
    26:05 – 26:07
    replace the first 25 pounds of N
    26:07 – 26:09
    with 25 pounds of sulfur and get
    26:09 – 26:10
    the same yield response.
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    So that was one, that's one
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    interesting aspect, one
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    important consideration.
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    The other
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    is,
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    and this
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    research was originally done at
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    University of California, Davis
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    by,
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    I'm blanking out, Patrick Brown,
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    if I recall the name correctly.
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    He described that a foliar
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    application of urea
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    There was some variation from
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    crop to crop, but that in many
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    crops, the crops that he
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    studied, it would have
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    an equivalent, produce an
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    equivalent crop response.
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    One pound of nitrogen as urea
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    foliar produced the same crop
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    response as seven pounds of
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    nitrogen in
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    the form of urea applied to the
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    soil.
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    And there have now been a group
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    of growers that we've worked
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    with, Beau Clawson has worked
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    with this extensively, Patrick
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    Fabian has worked with it
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    extensively,
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    and they're reporting on corn
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    specifically,
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    and on small grains,
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    they're reporting a minimum of a
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    4 to 1 ratio.
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    And just a couple of weeks ago I
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    heard one conversation where
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    they were using some specific
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    forms of urea.
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    and they were reporting when
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    applied at particular crop
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    growth stages on corn, they were
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    reporting as much as a 12 to 1
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    ratio,
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    that a pound of nitrogen to the
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    plant produced the same
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    yield results as a pound of N
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    applied to the soil.
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    Well,
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    my goodness,
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    if you could cut your nitrogen
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    application rates down to 25%,
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    cut it four times with foliar
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    applications,
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    Wouldn't that be worth it?
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    I mean, yes, there are
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    application costs and logistics
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    and there's lots of things to
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    figure out, but that's a pretty
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    substantial variation.
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    So when we combine those
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    various pieces, we say, all
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    right,
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    how can we optimize foliar
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    applications?
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    How can we, particularly at
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    times of greatest plant need,
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    how can we minimize the
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    concentration of electrolytes at
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    any one point in time?
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    How can we spread that out over
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    time?
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    How can we make sure that the
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    plant has a good dose of nitrate
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    for the first five to six weeks
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    of plant life,
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    and then has mostly ammonium and
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    urea for later on?
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    How can we incorporate the rule
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    of thumb of the first 25 pounds
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    of sulfur? What does that look
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    like?
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    So what that looks like
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    is,
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    and
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    this is
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    kind of a broad, very broad
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    brush stroke,
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    point for
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    making recommendations.
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    If the frame of reference here
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    or the context here is if a
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    grower asked me to make
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    recommendations and I knew
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    nothing
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    about the soil,
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    about the crop history, about
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    what was going on,
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    all that I knew is that he has
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    historically been applying 200
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    pounds of nitrogen and
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    and producing a certain yield
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    outcome on his soil that he is
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    satisfied with,
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    I would, and I would be asked to
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    make a set of recommendations
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    just off the cuff without any
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    further information.
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    Of course, the obvious thing is
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    you then start looking for
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    further information so you can
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    dial things in.
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    So this is, I'm putting this out
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    there, this is a starting point
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    from which to customize.
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    You then customize what fits
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    your soil, your context, your
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    operation.
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    But if I'm starting with a soil
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    and a context that has
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    historically been using 200
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    pounds of nitrogen over
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    the course of a growing season
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    to grow a corn crop,
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    here's what my math would look
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    like. I would say, all right,
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    and my general recommendation as
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    a starting point,
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    I want to start with 40 units of
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    nitrogen applied at planting in
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    the form of
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    ammonium and nitrate,
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    not urea.
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    I want ammonium and nitrate at
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    planting
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    and that can be
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    That can be in a 2x2.
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    A 2x2 is as close to the seed as
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    I want to come.
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    I would actually prefer that it
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    be a little bit farther away or
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    a little bit deeper.
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    It can be put in earlier with a
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    strip -till.
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    Obviously, there's lots of
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    variation to different farming
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    operations here that are very
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    context -dependent, but
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    that would be the place where I
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    would start.
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    And then,
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    actually,
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    I'm going to go on to the side
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    dress, and then I'm going to
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    come back and talk about how I
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    would fine -tune this.
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    Then I would follow that up with
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    an additional 4x2, of nitrogen
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    side -dressed
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    at about V5 to V6,
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    probably right in the
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    neighborhood of V5.
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    So that gives us a total of 80
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    units at this point.
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    And by the way,
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    that 40 units at side -dress,
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    ideally I would refer to be in
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    the form of urea,
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    not ammonium and nitrate.
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    Again, I'm just giving you what
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    is the ideal. What's the ideal
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    from
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    a yield
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    perspective, from a biology
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    perspective, how does this crop
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    produce the most and have the
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    smallest water requirement, one
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    of the things that we talked
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    about.
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    So
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    in split up between that planter
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    application and the side dress
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    application, I also want a
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    minimum of 25 units of sulfur.
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    I want 25 pounds of sulfur per
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    acre split between those two.
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    And
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    at the very minimum in either
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    application, I want nitrogen and
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    sulfur to be in a 10 to 1 ratio.
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    And then
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    You can also dig into and look
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    at what we've been doing with
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    our nitrogen efficiency program.
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    You will get the highest
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    performance, the best results
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    when you also mix some carbon
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    with this, some humic
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    substances.
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    We use humicarb a lot and I have
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    a very strong recommendation for
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    also mixing molybdenum with this
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    application.
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    It takes about a pint per acre
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    of a three to four percent
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    molybdenum product.
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    Molybdenum
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    is the critical enzyme for the
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    nitrate reductase enzyme that is
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    used by both biology and by
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    plants.
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    And every time we add molybdenum
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    and carbon and this combination
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    into this mix,
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    we see the nitrogen leaching
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    goes to practically zero.
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    And even
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    in high moisture conditions.
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    And the reason for that is
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    because if you have adequate
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    molybdenum levels,
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    even when the soil
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    biology nitrifies back, excuse
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    me,
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    nitrifies nitrogen from the
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    various forms urea and ammonium
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    into nitrate and builds up
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    nitrate levels,
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    adequate levels of molybdenum
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    allow other soil biology to
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    convert that nitrate back into
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    organic nitrogen.
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    And so you actually moderate
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    and modulate the nitrate levels
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    in the soil to not become
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    excessive
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    simply by having adequate levels
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    of molybdenum.
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    That means a lot for
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    leachability. It reduces your
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    leachability, but also it
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    increases your plant's energy
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    response because it's now
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    absorbing less nitrate.
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    It has some,
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    but it's not absorbing 80 %
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    nitrate instead of 20%.
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    All
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    right, I already spoke about 25
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    pounds of sulfur,
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    already spoke about the side
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    dress,
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    and now we go to foliar
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    applications.
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    So
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    somebody
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    put a significant typo into this
    33:38 – 33:39
    slide, but
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    our
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    target
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    is two foliar applications.
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    is the ideal.
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    One at tasseling
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    and one around R1.
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    Both applications targeting 10
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    units of nitrogen per acre
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    in the form of urea, low
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    biuret urea that has been
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    liquefied and melted as liquid
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    urea.
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    And again, you combine this with
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    a
    34:08 – 34:09
    touch of carbon, you add some
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    molybdenum to it.
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    And now you remember,
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    we're
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    putting on 10 pounds of nitrogen
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    per acre per application for a
    34:19 – 34:20
    total of 20 pounds.
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    But we have
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    A lot of field experience and a
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    lot of growers who are telling
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    us that this application
    34:27 – 34:29
    produces a crop response the
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    equivalent of four pounds of
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    nitrogen applied to the soil.
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    So with
    34:35 – 34:37
    my math here. I'm just
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    sketching this out.
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    We started with 80 units of
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    nitrogen soil applied,
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    40 at planting, 40 side dress, a
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    total of 80 pounds.
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    To that 80 pounds, we added 25
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    pounds of sulfur that
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    we expect to deliver the
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    equivalent yield response of 25
    34:53 – 34:54
    pounds of nitrogen.
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    So 80 pounds plus 25 pounds of
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    sulfur, now we're at 105 pounds
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    equivalent.
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    And we
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    add
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    Those 20 pounds of nitrogen as
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    foliars that produce an
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    equivalent yield response of 80
    35:09 – 35:11
    units soil applied.
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    So we're at 105 plus 80 and now
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    we're at 185 units of nitrogen
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    in terms of plant energy
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    equivalent.
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    So we've replaced 200 units with
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    185 for
    35:26 – 35:28
    a fraction of the cost because
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    we put on less,
    35:30 – 35:31
    spread it out over time,
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    we've got greater logistical
    35:33 – 35:34
    costs in getting it applied,
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    and we're But we've got a
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    fraction of the cost of actual
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    product.
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    And what's more important,
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    from a long -term perspective,
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    we have a fraction of the cost
    35:48 – 35:50
    to our soil biology because
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    we've reduced the electrolyte
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    load.
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    Instead of having
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    100 units of nitrogen applied
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    twice,
    35:58 – 36:00
    once at planting and once at
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    side dress or whatever the
    36:01 – 36:02
    equation might be,
    36:02 – 36:04
    we have much smaller
    36:04 – 36:06
    concentrations of electrolytes
    36:06 – 36:07
    being applied to the soil and
    36:07 – 36:08
    they're being spread out over
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    time.
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    So your negative effect on soil
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    biology goes down dramatically.
    36:14 – 36:15
    And all of a sudden,
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    particularly later in the
    36:17 – 36:18
    growing season,
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    when that soil nitrogen levels
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    become, soil electrolyte levels
    36:23 – 36:25
    become less concentrated,
    36:26 – 36:28
    soil biology starts fixing a lot
    36:28 – 36:30
    more nitrogen and making it a
    36:30 – 36:31
    lot more stable.
    36:30 – 36:31
    providing it to the crop.
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    So this
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    is a very large brush
    36:36 – 36:36
    stroke,
    36:37 – 36:39
    very high level overview of how
    36:39 – 36:40
    I think about hydrogen
    36:40 – 36:42
    management on a corn crop at
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    this point,
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    where we're spreading out the
    36:45 – 36:46
    electrolytes,
    36:46 – 36:47
    we're putting some on as
    36:47 – 36:48
    foliars, we're replacing some of
    36:48 – 36:49
    the nitrogen with sulfur.
    36:50 – 36:51
    You can do all those things.
    36:51 – 36:52
    It's common for us.
    36:52 – 36:54
    You can do the penciling out of
    36:54 – 36:55
    the math on your own, what makes
    36:55 – 36:56
    sense in your own context.
    36:57 – 36:59
    But what is interesting is that
    36:59 – 37:01
    this commonly translates to
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    anywhere from a 30 to a 50 %
    37:05 – 37:08
    reduction in actual input costs,
    37:08 – 37:09
    sometimes more than that.
    37:10 – 37:12
    And that includes the
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    application costs as well.
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    But there's additional logistics
    37:16 – 37:17
    and additional difficulty in
    37:17 – 37:19
    making those multiple passes per
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    season, particularly with the
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    foliars.
    37:21 – 37:23
    Drones are starting to be quite
    37:23 – 37:24
    widely used for the foliar
    37:24 – 37:26
    applications of urea very
    37:26 – 37:26
    effectively.
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    So,
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    um, that's, that's kind of the
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    big picture, big picture
    37:30 – 37:31
    overview. And I think,
    37:32 – 37:33
    um,
    37:34 – 37:36
    yeah, you can, you can dig into,
    37:37 – 37:38
    I think we have a nitrogen
    37:38 – 37:39
    efficiency calculator on our
    37:39 – 37:40
    website.
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    At least we used to, I don't
    37:41 – 37:42
    think we've changed it all that
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    much.
    37:43 – 37:44
    Um,
    37:44 – 37:45
    but this earlier
    37:45 – 37:46
    in the slide deck, I pointed
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    out, there's this rule of thumb
    37:49 – 37:50
    for the
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    nitrogen requirement that's
    37:53 – 37:54
    required to grow a bushel of
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    grain.
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    Um, I've seen growers go down to
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    as little as 0 .5
    37:59 – 38:01
    pounds of nitrogen that they can
    38:01 – 38:03
    account for coming from,
    38:03 – 38:05
    uh, organic matter contribution
    38:05 – 38:07
    and compost and cover crops,
    38:07 – 38:08
    there's sometimes some fuzziness
    38:08 – 38:09
    in those numbers.
    38:11 – 38:14
    0 .75 is readily achievable.
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    First year out of the gate, no
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    sweat, no problems.
    38:16 – 38:18
    It's easy to achieve 0 .75
    38:18 – 38:19
    pounds of nitrogen per bushel of
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    grain.
    38:21 – 38:22
    And the growers who are taking
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    this approach of putting on
    38:23 – 38:24
    foliar applications of urea and
    38:24 – 38:27
    so forth, are commonly hitting 0
    38:27 – 38:27
    .65.
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    0 .65 to 0 .7 is
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    not a challenge at all.
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    It's a very readily achievable
    38:35 – 38:36
    goal.
    38:37 – 38:37
    So
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    that's the overview.
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    And yeah, I think I will switch
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    it to...
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    Q &A,
    38:46 – 38:47
    if any of you have any
    38:47 – 38:48
    questions.
    38:48 – 38:49
    And you can also,
    38:50 – 38:52
    if you have any questions for us
    38:52 – 38:53
    as a team and you want to dig
    38:53 – 38:55
    deeper into what this might look
    38:55 – 38:56
    like on your specific soil and
    38:56 – 38:57
    context,
    38:57 – 38:58
    you can connect with Abby here.
    38:58 – 39:00
    You can see her contact
    39:00 – 39:01
    information here on the slide
    39:01 – 39:02
    deck. But yeah, we'd love to
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    hear from you.
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    And with that, I'm going to
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    switch to Q &A and happy to
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    answer any questions that you
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    might have.
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    See, there's some here in the
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    chat.
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    Yeah, you're welcome to put any
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    questions into the chat.
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    or also I think you can unmute
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    yourself and we can just have a
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    conversation.
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    There's a first question here
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    from Paul. Is there a need to
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    measure the carbon to nitrogen
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    ratio in a soil test?
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    Wondering because of
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    fluctuations of results when
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    utilizing compost extracts in
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    the furrow at planting.
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    Paul,
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    it's a good question.
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    I'm
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    struggling a bit to answer your
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    question
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    because both
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    nitrogen and carbon get measured
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    in so many different ways on so
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    many different tests.
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    The answer is yes, I think it
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    would be beneficial,
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    but you're going to have to
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    learn what
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    the results actually mean.
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    So for
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    example, if you use the Haney
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    analysis,
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    I was quite a fan of the Haney
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    analysis for a
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    number of years.
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    We used it quite widely and I
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    still think in many ways it's
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    the
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    correct way to express this.
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    It's the least bad soil sampling
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    methodology that we have for
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    measuring and managing nitrogen,
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    nitrogen to carbon ratios and so
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    forth.
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    You know, as is so often true in
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    life,
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    our greatest strengths,
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    this is for us as people and for
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    operations and so forth, so
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    often our greatest strengths
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    have hidden downsides that are
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    also our greatest weaknesses.
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    And that's also true of the
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    Haney analysis.
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    The challenge with the Haney
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    analysis is that it can vary
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    quite significantly based on
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    soil moisture levels.
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    So if you have soils that are
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    dry for
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    two weeks,
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    and you have limited microbial
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    activity because of a lack of
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    soil moisture, and then you get
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    an
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    inch of rain,
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    and you pull a sample
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    immediately before and
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    immediately after,
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    they will look like completely
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    different soils on that type of
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    analysis.
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    Because the
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    soil that was dry had limited
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    microbial activity and it had
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    kind of accumulated this
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    readily available carbon.
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    You take it into the lab,
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    you add moisture to it, and you
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    get this tremendous CO2 burst.
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    You get this tremendous burst of
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    microbial activity because of
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    all this pent -up energy that
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    was just waiting for moisture.
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    And you don't see that when
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    you've had a good rain.
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    So
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    the short answer is
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    to your question is that yes,
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    I do think it is valuable to
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    measure carbon and nitrogen
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    ratios,
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    but
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    there's
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    at this point,
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    either one of two things is
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    true. Either I don't understand
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    them well enough, or there's a
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    lot of interpretation.
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    that's required to read them
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    well.
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    So that's the caveat that I
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    would offer.
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    Question from Doug, where does
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    manure fit into this?
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    So Doug,
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    manure,
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    when manure is applied,
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    the majority of nitrogen that it
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    contains will be in the form of
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    organic nitrogen.
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    And that's just the umbrella
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    catch -all term that is used to
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    describe nitrogen in the form of
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    proteins, in the form of
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    enzymes, amino acids, amino
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    sugars, and so forth.
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    the nitrate content and the
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    ammonium content of manure,
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    ideally, will be quite low.
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    That is
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    what would be most common.
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    The form
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    of nitrogen in manure is
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    essentially biological nitrogen
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    delivery. It's what I've been
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    describing
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    that can happen in healthy soils
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    in the absence of excessive
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    electrolytes. Now what's
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    interesting,
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    when
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    we think about the challenges of
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    electrolytes, you have
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    Inside the plant,
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    you have a
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    handful of major electrolytes.
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    You have potassium,
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    chloride,
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    nitrate,
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    sodium,
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    and then it's not as significant
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    a contributor, but it's also an
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    electrolyte. You have, to some
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    degree, you have magnesium.
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    And in the soil,
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    you also have the first four.
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    You have nitrate, potassium,
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    chloride, and sodium as
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    being the significant
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    electrolytes.
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    And
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    We've had a number of
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    observations, a number of
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    instances where dairy manure can
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    be problematic, particularly
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    when applied at high doses,
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    because of the salt that's fed
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    to dairy cows.
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    I mean,
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    there are many people who can
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    testify to applying liquid dairy
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    manure and having dead
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    earthworms behind the
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    application,
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    having the soil covered in dead
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    earthworms. and that those dead
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    earthworms are an expression of
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    excessive levels of electrolytes
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    and perhaps other toxins as well
    44:16 – 44:18
    but high levels of salts being
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    applied with the liquid dairy
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    manure.
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    So
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    salts aren't just exclusively
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    coming from fertilizers they can
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    also come from from high manure
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    applications particularly in the
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    case of dairy manure.
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    Question from Mark, is sulfur
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    being added with the foliar
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    applications during Tasslin R1?
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    Ideally, yes.
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    I'd like to add, doesn't take
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    much, but I also want to hit
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    that 10 to 1
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    hydrogen to sulfur ratio, pound
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    for pound. That can be in the
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    form of ammonium thiosulfate,
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    which is most common.
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    A few folks are also dissolving
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    ammonium sulfate, which you can
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    also do quite readily.
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    Either one works quite well.
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    Question from David, can you
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    expand on drone application
    44:57 – 44:58
    rates of late season foliar
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    reapplication to prevent leaf
    45:00 – 45:01
    burn?
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    This is
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    This is actually an area that I
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    need to catch up with Patrick
    45:08 – 45:10
    Fabian and Bo Claus and a couple
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    of people who've been pushing
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    the envelope here
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    because I'm, I will admit that I
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    am perplexed by some of the
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    things that they're reporting.
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    So
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    they are, the conversations I've
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    had with them,
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    if I'm understanding correctly,
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    they're putting on 10 units of
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    nitrogen per application
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    with a drone as melted urea.
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    They're adding Humacarb to that.
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    And they're putting on
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    a solution that is 50 % melted
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    urea and 50 % water.
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    So that means the
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    liquid that they are applying is
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    essentially 10 % nitrogen and
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    they're reporting no burning
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    effects on that, which I
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    find puzzling.
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    So I want to go back and just
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    double check and double verify
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    those numbers, make sure I'm not
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    misunderstanding or didn't
    46:00 – 46:01
    misunderstand anything because
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    that seems to be quite high.
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    But it is also true that
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    because of the leaf structure,
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    the small grains and the corn,
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    sorghum, so forth, these grasses
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    do have a much higher ability to
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    handle those electrolytes as a
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    foliar than a broadleaf crop
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    would.
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    I'm quite confident if you did
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    that on soybeans or other
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    tomatoes or other broadleaf
    46:25 – 46:26
    crops, you would absolutely have
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    leaf burn on that.
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    Question from Adam.
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    Does the source or form of
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    sulfur make a difference for the
    46:34 – 46:35
    25 pounds applied during the
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    growing season?
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    I don't believe so.
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    No, that can be as thiosulfate
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    or as sulfate, whether it's
    46:40 – 46:41
    coming from ammonium sulfate,
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    ammonium thiosulfate,
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    potassium sulfate,
    46:44 – 46:45
    gypsum. You can even apply it.
    46:45 – 46:46
    It doesn't even have to be in
    46:46 – 46:47
    the same tank mix.
    46:48 – 46:50
    We've had growers that put
    46:51 – 46:52
    on,
    46:53 – 46:54
    because of their soil
    46:54 – 46:56
    conditions, they needed some
    46:56 – 46:57
    gypsum applications.
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    And so they're banding gypsum.
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    And perhaps
    47:01 – 47:04
    I've had gypsum being banded on
    47:04 – 47:04
    with a,
    47:06 – 47:07
    my brain stopped working,
    47:08 – 47:08
    not side dress,
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    strip -till,
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    with a strip -till application
    47:12 – 47:14
    and depending on that as a form
    47:14 – 47:15
    of solver.
    47:15 – 47:16
    And that is equally effective
    47:16 – 47:17
    and appropriate.
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    Question from Myron.
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    Hi Myron.
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    Is there any concern about
    47:24 – 47:26
    pollen shed when applying foliar
    47:26 – 47:28
    N just prior to VTN and R1?
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    Would boron potentially be added
    47:30 – 47:31
    as well?
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    That's a good question, Myron.
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    I don't know the answer.
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    And yes, you could add boron to
    47:39 – 47:41
    the mix, you could add copper to
    47:41 – 47:42
    the mix as well.
    47:42 – 47:43
    This is a
    47:44 – 47:46
    bit of a sidebar, something that
    47:46 – 47:47
    we've learned about boron,
    47:47 – 47:49
    excuse me, about pollen
    47:49 – 47:50
    viability
    47:50 – 47:52
    and pollen tube viability.
    47:54 – 47:56
    You can keep pollen tubes,
    47:59 – 48:00
    what's the word that I'm looking
    47:59 – 48:02
    for? not fresh, but they can
    48:02 – 48:03
    maintain their strength and not
    48:03 – 48:05
    collapse for much longer periods
    48:05 – 48:06
    of time
    48:06 – 48:08
    when they have adequate levels
    48:08 – 48:09
    of copper and boron.
    48:10 – 48:11
    Those two in particular we found
    48:11 – 48:13
    will dramatically increase
    48:13 – 48:14
    pollination on
    48:15 – 48:16
    a wide variety of crops.
    48:17 – 48:18
    If we make sure we have generous
    48:18 – 48:20
    levels of copper and boron prior
    48:20 – 48:21
    to, obviously it needs to be in
    48:21 – 48:22
    the pollen tubes and it needs to
    48:22 – 48:24
    be in the pollen weeks in
    48:24 – 48:25
    advance of the actual event
    48:25 – 48:26
    itself.
    48:30 – 48:32
    Question from Kurt, if nitrate
    48:32 – 48:34
    nitrogen applications are
    48:34 – 48:34
    absent,
    48:35 – 48:38
    how much N on average can you
    48:38 – 48:40
    attribute to free nitrogen
    48:40 – 48:42
    fixing bacteria from species in
    48:42 – 48:42
    biocode gold?
    48:43 – 48:45
    Can this seed treatment be
    48:45 – 48:47
    accounted for in this new
    48:47 – 48:48
    concept of nitrogen management?
    48:48 – 48:50
    Ah, Kurt, you asked the million
    48:50 – 48:51
    dollar question.
    48:56 – 48:57
    So
    48:58 – 48:58
    I would rephrase,
    48:59 – 49:01
    if I'm understanding what you're
    49:01 – 49:01
    asking correctly,
    49:02 – 49:04
    I'll rephrase it just a little
    49:04 – 49:05
    bit. I think what you meant to
    49:05 – 49:06
    ask is
    49:07 – 49:09
    not if nitrate and applications
    49:09 – 49:10
    are absent, but more if
    49:10 – 49:11
    electrolyte nitrogen
    49:11 – 49:12
    applications are absent.
    49:13 – 49:14
    And maybe that could be
    49:14 – 49:15
    interpreted in a couple of
    49:15 – 49:16
    different ways there.
    49:16 – 49:17
    But
    49:17 – 49:20
    the bottom line is that
    49:20 – 49:23
    I missed talking about biocoat
    49:23 – 49:23
    gold a little bit.
    49:24 – 49:27
    Yes, biocoat gold can deliver
    49:27 – 49:28
    substantial amounts of nitrogen,
    49:29 – 49:31
    and it can vary quite a bit.
    49:31 – 49:32
    It will vary based on
    49:33 – 49:34
    The amount of nitrogen applied,
    49:34 – 49:35
    how close proximity,
    49:36 – 49:37
    phosphorus fertilizer starter
    49:37 – 49:38
    solutions, was there a starter
    49:38 – 49:39
    right on the seed?
    49:41 – 49:41
    So the
    49:42 – 49:43
    variability,
    49:45 – 49:47
    we have observed, maybe the most
    49:47 – 49:49
    accurate way to say this is that
    49:50 – 49:52
    we have observed BioCoat Gold
    49:52 – 49:53
    delivering
    49:55 – 49:57
    let me back up, I want to be
    49:57 – 49:58
    sure I state this accurately.
    50:00 – 50:01
    We've observed high -yielding
    50:01 – 50:02
    corn crops
    50:02 – 50:05
    where the crop contained
    50:05 – 50:07
    upwards of 60 pounds of nitrogen
    50:07 – 50:09
    that we were unable to account
    50:09 – 50:10
    for
    50:10 – 50:12
    from applications of any type,
    50:12 – 50:14
    manure, compost, cover crops,
    50:14 – 50:15
    etc.
    50:15 – 50:17
    That seemed to be coming from
    50:17 – 50:18
    the Biocote Gold.
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    That's the high number that
    50:20 – 50:20
    we've observed.
    50:21 – 50:24
    35 to 40 is very common
    50:25 – 50:26
    and
    50:28 – 50:29
    Actually, I do have a few
    50:29 – 50:30
    outlier instances that are well
    50:30 – 50:33
    above the 60 number, but 60 is a
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    number that's pretty
    50:33 – 50:35
    consistently reliable and
    50:35 – 50:36
    achievable, I think.
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    But
    50:39 – 50:40
    that all depends.
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    It depends on soils having
    50:42 – 50:43
    adequate carbon, adequate
    50:43 – 50:45
    organic matter for that
    50:45 – 50:46
    biococoal to really become
    50:46 – 50:47
    active.
    50:47 – 50:49
    It depends on there being not
    50:49 – 50:50
    lots of electrolytes right on
    50:50 – 50:51
    the seed or
    50:51 – 50:52
    very close to the seed.
    50:52 – 50:54
    It needs a couple of weeks to
    50:54 – 50:54
    really activate.
    50:55 – 50:57
    So those
    50:57 – 50:59
    are all important variables and
    50:59 – 51:01
    important pieces that it's
    51:02 – 51:03
    I'm hesitant to quantify and say
    51:03 – 51:05
    that you can put biocoat gold on
    51:05 – 51:07
    and you can depend on it for 30
    51:07 – 51:08
    to 40 units of nitrogen.
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    Now, that will be true for 80 %
    51:10 – 51:11
    of the operations,
    51:11 – 51:12
    but for 20 % it won't be
    51:13 – 51:15
    because of other extenuating
    51:15 – 51:15
    circumstances.
    51:17 – 51:18
    Something
    51:19 – 51:20
    that is important that I
    51:20 – 51:22
    realized I missed mentioning is
    51:22 – 51:24
    there is a critical two -week
    51:24 – 51:25
    window.
    51:25 – 51:26
    Biocoat gold,
    51:27 – 51:28
    colonization of the rhizosphere,
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    or
    51:30 – 51:32
    not just biocoat gold, but
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    the colonization of the plant,
    51:35 – 51:36
    root system and that emerging
    51:36 – 51:37
    radical right at germination.
    51:38 – 51:39
    There is a two -week window
    51:39 – 51:41
    right after germination that is
    51:41 – 51:43
    critical for disease resistance
    51:43 – 51:45
    later on in the plant's life and
    51:45 – 51:46
    that is critical for the highest
    51:46 – 51:47
    yield and the best nutrition
    51:47 – 51:48
    delivery through the season.
    51:49 – 51:50
    That first two weeks window is
    51:50 – 51:51
    so important.
    51:52 – 51:54
    And the easiest way to shut down
    51:54 – 51:56
    colonization in that two -week
    51:56 – 51:57
    window
    51:57 – 51:58
    is to
    51:59 – 52:02
    put on a starter that has high
    52:02 – 52:03
    concentrations of electrolytes.
    52:03 – 52:04
    So if you put on a soluble
    52:04 – 52:06
    phosphor starter or
    52:06 – 52:08
    a starter that contains a good
    52:08 – 52:09
    dose of nitrogen right in close
    52:09 – 52:10
    proximity to the seed,
    52:11 – 52:12
    that's a good way of shutting
    52:12 – 52:13
    down biococcal.
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    It's much better to have it off
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    to the side on a 2x2 or
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    something like that.
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    You know, many years ago,
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    William Albrecht made
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    this quote from a professor at
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    the University of Missouri, and
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    he said something to the effect
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    of,
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    the
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    science of fertilizer placement
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    is
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    all about the art of placing
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    soluble electrolytes so that
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    plant roots can avoid them.
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    And he was, of course, looking
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    at this from the perspective of
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    what does
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    biology have the capacity to
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    deliver if we don't shut it
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    down?
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    A follow -up question here from
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    Carl.
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    Speaking of manure, would you
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    say that a major problem with
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    modern livestock production, i
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    .e.
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    CAFOs,
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    is the concentrated part?
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    Way too many animals in one
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    place, difficult, expensive
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    nutrient over -application, etc.
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    I would say that that model has
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    lots of inherent challenges with
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    it and lots of externalized
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    costs
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    that it would be much wiser to
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    go to a different model.
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    But that's a conversation for
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    another day.
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    Question from David, do you have
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    any data around using compost
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    extracts as a carrier for foliar
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    urea applications?
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    Very limited, David.
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    We do have a few people that
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    have done that and continue to
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    do that,
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    and they believe they're getting
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    benefits from that.
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    But when you are putting on a
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    foliar urea application,
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    that is a high electrolyte
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    solution.
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    I mean, urea has a salt index of
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    106, which basically means that
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    it is saltier than sodium
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    chloride by
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    6%.
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    Sodium chloride is the benchmark
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    index of the index at 100.
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    So urea at 106 means it's
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    saltier than sodium chloride.
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    And
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    so when you have a foliar spray
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    solution of urea with that high
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    salt content,
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    Practical expectation would be
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    that very tiny amounts of those
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    microbes would still be alive
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    when they touch the leaf
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    surface.
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    You would still, I
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    can expect that you would still
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    get benefits from their
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    metabolites, from microbial
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    metabolites, but not from living
    54:27 – 54:28
    microbes themselves.
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    Last
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    question here is from Mark.
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    If 32 % and sulfur source
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    are applied at planting,
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    Would there be a significant
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    difference in the application
    54:50 – 54:52
    method currently using broadcast
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    versus indexing to the row?
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    So if you are using broadcast,
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    then your application rate is
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    probably going to need to go up
    55:02 – 55:04
    to get the equivalent crop
    55:04 – 55:05
    response. So the recommendations
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    that I've been making have been
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    with the expectation of having
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    it banded.
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    And if you broadcast it, then
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    yes, probably your application
    55:13 – 55:14
    rates will need to go up to
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    produce an equivalent response.
    55:17 – 55:19
    A question from Tom.
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    Do you think there's ever a
    55:20 – 55:22
    possibility for melted urea to
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    ever be usable in certified
    55:24 – 55:25
    organic use?
    55:29 – 55:31
    Tom, the problem with that
    55:31 – 55:31
    question
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    is that it's a political
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    question,
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    not a question based on science.
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    And so, it's
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    impossible to answer because
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    it's
    55:43 – 55:45
    a question based on politics and
    55:45 – 55:46
    not on science.
    55:46 – 55:47
    As you know,
    55:47 – 55:48
    there are many synthetic
    55:48 – 55:50
    materials such as magnesium
    55:50 – 55:51
    sulfate, for example, that can
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    be used with a documented
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    deficiency
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    and
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    a number of trace minerals as
    55:57 – 55:59
    well, trace mineral sulfates, et
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    cetera, et cetera.
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    So I would argue that there are
    56:03 – 56:05
    a number of things that organic
    56:05 – 56:07
    certifiers and the organic,
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    I think
    56:12 – 56:13
    if
    56:14 – 56:15
    The organic certification space
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    had gone down a different
    56:17 – 56:18
    pathway of being
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    more
    56:21 – 56:23
    pragmatic and less idealistic.
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    We would not be having a
    56:26 – 56:28
    conversation today about
    56:28 – 56:29
    regenerative agriculture.
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    I think if it had gone down a
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    pathway of
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    actually looking at quality of
    56:34 – 56:36
    outcomes and measuring both the
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    presence of quality as well as
    56:38 – 56:39
    the absence of toxicity and how
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    we got there
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    and taken a less idealistic
    56:42 – 56:43
    approach, we would be in a very
    56:43 – 56:45
    different place as an industry
    56:45 – 56:46
    overall.
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    But that's a whole separate,
    56:47 – 56:48
    that's a whole other
    56:48 – 56:48
    conversation.
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    So I don't,
    56:51 – 56:54
    my instinct is I don't expect
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    there would ever be a
    56:56 – 56:57
    possibility of using melted urea
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    in organic operations.
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    I just don't expect to see that
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    happening.
    57:00 – 57:01
    But the good news is
    57:03 – 57:03
    this,
    57:04 – 57:05
    there's something that I missed
    57:05 – 57:05
    mentioning.
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    This process that I described of
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    transitioning from
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    200 units of nitrogen to,
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    what was the number that we came
    57:17 – 57:18
    up with? 100 units of,
    57:18 – 57:20
    from 200 units of N to 100 units
    57:20 – 57:22
    of N plus 25 pounds of sulfur.
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    That's the net net difference.
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    I want to be very clear that I'm
    57:27 – 57:29
    suggesting that we have a lot of
    57:29 – 57:30
    field experience with this, but
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    this approach is a transition
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    approach.
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    This would be year one of
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    transition.
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    And I
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    don't have an exact count or
    57:42 – 57:43
    exact numbers, but the number of
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    growers who started there and
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    then transitioned on further
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    down to even less,
    57:48 – 57:50
    where they're applying 30 to 50
    57:50 – 57:52
    units of nitrogen for a season
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    and
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    delivering 100 % of the
    57:58 – 57:59
    remainder with biological
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    nitrogen.
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    is there's a very large number
    58:03 – 58:04
    of those growers.
    58:04 – 58:05
    It's measured in the hundreds.
    58:05 – 58:06
    Actually, it's probably even
    58:06 – 58:07
    measured in the thousands at
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    this point.
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    So this
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    is year one of a transition
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    period,
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    and that transition can extend
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    in some contexts for a couple of
    58:19 – 58:20
    years. But over time, the
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    objective is to get the applied
    58:22 – 58:24
    nitrogen down and replace it
    58:24 – 58:26
    with biological nitrogen that is
    58:26 – 58:27
    fixed from the atmosphere.
    58:29 – 58:30
    Cover crops can contribute,
    58:31 – 58:32
    manure can contribute, compost
    58:32 – 58:33
    can contribute, but what I'm
    58:33 – 58:35
    really talking about, and I want
    58:35 – 58:36
    to be very clear about this,
    58:36 – 58:38
    we have a number of farms, a
    58:38 – 58:39
    large number of farms, the
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    majority of the farms that we
    58:40 – 58:41
    work with
    58:42 – 58:44
    are in challenged environments
    58:44 – 58:45
    that
    58:45 – 58:47
    don't have the ability to use,
    58:47 – 58:49
    they cannot rely on cover crops
    58:49 – 58:50
    because of water and moisture
    58:50 – 58:52
    constraints in many cases,
    58:53 – 58:54
    and, or timing and seasonal
    58:54 – 58:56
    constraints, and they cannot,
    58:56 – 58:57
    they don't have access to manure
    58:57 – 58:58
    and compost.
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    So
    59:00 – 59:02
    those are valuable, useful tools
    59:04 – 59:05
    I'm completely in favor of them.
    59:06 – 59:07
    But what I'm really talking
    59:07 – 59:08
    about is
    59:08 – 59:10
    transitioning to a
    59:11 – 59:13
    state of soil health where the
    59:13 – 59:15
    biology can deliver nitrogen,
    59:16 – 59:17
    even in the absence of those
    59:17 – 59:18
    things,
    59:18 – 59:19
    even in the absence of regular
    59:19 – 59:21
    cover crops, even in the absence
    59:21 – 59:22
    of manure and compost
    59:22 – 59:23
    applications.
    59:24 – 59:25
    Soil biology can still get to
    59:25 – 59:26
    the point where it can deliver
    59:26 – 59:28
    substantial nitrogen if
    59:29 – 59:30
    we just stop killing it.
    59:30 – 59:31
    and shutting it down.
    59:32 – 59:33
    So I
    59:33 – 59:34
    think I'm going to call it a
    59:34 – 59:35
    wrap there. I've used up an hour
    59:35 – 59:36
    of everyone's time.
    59:36 – 59:37
    I want to say thank you all for
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    being here. I hope you found the
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